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Come on now Cass. Even a lot of the media, who supposedly follow the association more than real fans, have a difficult time recognizing when past stars are former stars. It takes at least 3 years for them to realize that a guy like Shaq, Rasheed, AI, Vince, Kidd, Marion, or anyone else is merely a role player and not a super duper game changer.

aoxo1 wrote:

Is it not 100% fan voting?

IMO if fans are going to be given a vote (which they should) it should be handicapped or some qualifications need set for the players in regards to games played or something? Maybe 50% NBA 25/25 media/fans?

Starters are 100% fan voting. Believe the rest is coaches/players?

My point was just in general.

aoxo1 wrote:

Why not base a players eligibility on.....say... 30 minutes per game of games played by each players team? That would take care of McGrady, injured players and the washed-up has beens.

Author:	FUDU [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:42 pm ]
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This is just absurd. Changes are needed in the process. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4786715

Author:	Papa Cass [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:03 pm ]
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The change that needs to be made: Re-naming the game the "NBA All-Popular Game." If you let the fans choose the starters, they're going to vote in who they like. Hand-in-hand with that are the votes of a lot of fans who don't realize that it's no longer 2002, Karl Malone has retired, A.I. is no longer a ghetto icon, and T-Mac and Vinsanity are no longer the second and third best SGs in the league behind Kobe. It's like if you gave a vote to the dude in the African village who is rocking out to his Kriss-Kross cassette and wearing a Cleveland Indians 1995 World Series Champions t-shirt.

Author:	aoxo1 [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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Come on now Cass. Even a lot of the media, who supposedly follow the association more than real fans, have a difficult time recognizing when past stars are former stars. It takes at least 3 years for them to realize that a guy like Shaq, Rasheed, AI, Vince, Kidd, Marion, or anyone else is merely a role player and not a super duper game changer.

Author:	FUDU [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:14 pm ]
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aoxo1 wrote: Come on now Cass. Even a lot of the media, who supposedly follow the association more than real fans, have a difficult time recognizing when past stars are former stars. It takes at least 3 years for them to realize that a guy like Shaq, Rasheed, AI, Vince, Kidd, Marion, or anyone else is merely a role player and not a super duper game changer. Is it not 100% fan voting? IMO if fans are going to be given a vote (which they should) it should be handicapped or some qualifications need set for the players in regards to games played or something? Maybe 50% NBA 25/25 media/fans?

Author:	aoxo1 [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:21 pm ]
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FUDU wrote: aoxo1 wrote: Come on now Cass. Even a lot of the media, who supposedly follow the association more than real fans, have a difficult time recognizing when past stars are former stars. It takes at least 3 years for them to realize that a guy like Shaq, Rasheed, AI, Vince, Kidd, Marion, or anyone else is merely a role player and not a super duper game changer. Is it not 100% fan voting? IMO if fans are going to be given a vote (which they should) it should be handicapped or some qualifications need set for the players in regards to games played or something? Maybe 50% NBA 25/25 media/fans? Starters are 100% fan voting. Believe the rest is coaches/players? My point was just in general.

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Author:	Papa Cass [ Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:44 pm ]
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aoxo1 wrote: Starters are 100% fan voting. Believe the rest is coaches/players? My point was just in general. Coaches in each conference pick the reserves and cannot vote for their own players. Commissioner must appoint a replacement if a starter or reserve is injured or traded to the other conference before the game. That's how Mo got the nod last year.

Author:	Juannieboy [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 12:48 am ]
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FUDU wrote: aoxo1 wrote: Come on now Cass. Even a lot of the media, who supposedly follow the association more than real fans, have a difficult time recognizing when past stars are former stars. It takes at least 3 years for them to realize that a guy like Shaq, Rasheed, AI, Vince, Kidd, Marion, or anyone else is merely a role player and not a super duper game changer. Is it not 100% fan voting? IMO if fans are going to be given a vote (which they should) it should be handicapped or some qualifications need set for the players in regards to games played or something? Maybe 50% NBA 25/25 media/fans? Why not base a players eligibility on.....say... 30 minutes per game of games played by each players team? That would take care of McGrady, injured players and the washed-up has beens.

Author:	JJN [ Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:41 am ]
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Juannieboy wrote: Why not base a players eligibility on.....say... 30 minutes per game of games played by each players team? That would take care of McGrady, injured players and the washed-up has beens. Shaq averaged 30.0 minutes last year. I think he deserved the nod for his performance last year, but going into the break, he might have been under 30 minutes. I don't like the idea of a minute criteria. I would rather just completely get rid of the fan based portion. I think the coaches/players could do better, and we wouldn't end up snubbing Deron Williams because T-Mac plays with China's favorite son.

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